drafter69, please note that the P4 woman and P4 man were made by Zygote, not Metacreations. And the Zygote division that did it is now... DAZ! The symbiosis between CL and DAZ has proven to be extremely productive and beneficial to the Poser community, no doubt about that. Who is the chicken and who is the egg is a hypothetical question, but the truth is that CL would not have been where it is today without DAZ and vice versa.