I think the main reason for the success of Poser (IMHO) would look something like this... (give or take some slidage)... Poser Program / Ease of use = 15% Zygote / Daz Figures & Props = 32% User Created Freebies = 42% Warez Copy Usage / Word of Mouth = 12% I suspect we will see a good amount of changes to those percentages with the current version of Poser (ie, Poser 5) due to less involvement of creative content created by enities outside of CL and by the sheer amount of time that it takes CL to generate the patches necessary to make Poser 5 a stable application. Another factor that will determine the percentages will be the "Ease of Use" classification which is sure to confuse and/or hinder a percentage of the current Poser user base, as well as, how technical support is handled for that product. Content driven products for Poser 5 will certainly be affected by the current EULA that is in place for that program and will also greatly affect the sales and purchases of Poser 5. This is just an opinion, mind you. However, it is an opinion which seems to be echoed throughout this Community. Fact of the matter is this, Poser's survival has never been solely based on any one particular aspect or company. It's survival has been because of involvement of numerous entities such as Curious Labs, Egi-sys, DAZ, Edgenet/Bondware, DSI and the Community and that with the release of Poser 5, we are seeing those levels of Involvement change. The survival of any future Poser program is now going to hinge on Curious Labs, Egi-sys, the Community and, as we are beginning to play witness to, Renderosity staff. One point that I would like to clarify is a comment made by Judith who said: "Don and Judy OTOH do belong to CL, and I think they probably will be improved down the road." Don and Judy are really just Posette and Dork, which had been subdivided and worked on by an overseas company outside of DAZ, then passed on to RuntimeDNA and Community members to be morphed and tweaked. Joint Parameters, IK and Blend Zones for those characters were (to my understanding) done by CL staff. However, the meshes of Don and Judy are still Zygote/DAZ's property since they are based (solely or in part)on Zygote/DAZ's geometry of Posette and Dork. In otherwords, they are derivatives(sp?) like Michael reconstructed to make the Stephanie figure and I assume that Curious Labs got permission from DAZ to do this. Just my thoughts and opinion on this. :o) Jack