Thanks for the attention -) esp thanks for the direct links, because waiting doesn't fix it, and there aren't any options for java in my ie6 options box like you show. Mine is a new Gateway XL700 system; and finding no java, I went to the m/s site to d/l their JVM and discovered it discontinued bcs so many people are being attacked through online java. Only fix is to d/l sun's huge distribution over a really slow dial-up; and having been hammered by an online virus, I'm dubious of the real need to have it. great tutes BTW !!!