This is the stock V1 "out of the box" It's actually Traveller's "Victoria Femina" the base cr2 stripped of all but the genital morphs. She couldn't smile or bink, even if she wanted to. I used to call her "ugly" too, but just like the real thing, you'd be surprised what "new" hair and makeup can do... The texture, (sans lips) is "Emily" by Bug in freestuff. I got into poser because of the ease of use, and much though I'd like to like P5, (when I can get it to work) it's both more balky and more difficult to use/understand than p4 ever was. later jb