...So far we are just hearing that DAZ was shunned by CL so they decided to make their own program. You may be hearing that but I have read nothing in the forums to indicate this came either from CL or DAZ. I'm not sure that CL has even made a public comment about this. The only thing I have read from DAZ said that they were concerned about Poser's continued survival. Believing caution to be the better part of valor they considered releasing their own program so that their models would continue to have a market. ...DAZ was still discussing making content for P5 up until a short time ago. And it was also just a short time ago that the P5 EULA disaster became known. Such things have been known to alter one's plans. ...Just how innocent is DAZ in all of this? I'm not really sure what you mean. DAZ has not publicly attacked P5 or CL. They did voice their concerns over the P5 EULA but they can hardly be faulted for that. They did not have to tell us about their future program but did so only to avoid giving the impression of having a hidden motive. When they felt honour required it they revealed their plans so that we might arrive at our own conclusions. Certainly it is true that DAZ may have been working on their program for some time. But since when has it become necessary to make such future plans public or to reveal one's commercial intentions to the competition? I'm not so much confused about DAZ's innocence as I am having some difficulty trying to figure out just what they may be guilty of doing. ...Thus making DAZ liars about their good intension with CL in the first place. I'm having trouble figuring this one out too. On the one hand DAZ owes its very existence to Poser. It is a proven, indeed their only, market. Now they're planning on releasing their own program which may or may not be successfully received by the market place. So you're suggesting that DAZ is prepared to bet their very existence that their program will immediately replace Poser in the users' hearts and souls? Remember that DAZ did not say that their program would be a Poser replacement. They said only that it might be considered competitive with Poser. I may have misinterpreted this but took it to mean that the P5 EULA was so extraordinarily broad that almost anything might be considered competitive or derived content. Frankly, it seems that it would be in DAZ's best interests to continue to support Poser if at all possible. Excepting P5, they seem to be doing just that. - Jack