I think CL's lack of desire to have DAZ involved in the content creation went much farther back than just these last few months. It takes time to generate product to include into Poser, expecially the level of product that was created for Poser 4. Rather than thinking that DAZ was sneaky, I have a feeling that as the sands of time was running out which would've been necessary to create new content for Poser 5, DAZ finally decided that they would not be the providers of content for P5 and began to make steps to create a product of their own to match their content and/or expectations. I believe that the conversations that DAZ continued to have with CL was NOT about new content, but rather the current content of previous versions of Poser and their permission for CL to alter those meshes in some way without violating any contract with DAZ who in reality owns that geometry. No. I don't see anything done on the part of DAZ as being shaddy or untrustworthy, but I just can't say the same for the other player. DAZ could've completely stopped the release of CL altered geometry, which would've greatly effected the worth of Poser 5 or even the release of it (which might've solved allot of issues). But that is all I am going to say for now, I am going to bite my tongue... but only for now. Jack