Making a free and sale version of the same car would probably be out of the question. As my sale cars are usable for commercial renders and my freebees aren't it would be hard to track usage as well. Also basically having to poserize the same model twice doesn't interest me much either. DSQRD, Actually the Lotus 7 would be easy to model. The body is supper simple. It's an interesting car although, for a Lotus I would probably prefer the Europa myself, though neither are out of the question for future models. YOu know, the Lotus 7 might make a good freebee. Do you own one you could get me good reference shots of? mikebruin, Would you believe I have never seen "The Italian Job"? I understand it is coming out on DVD on the 5th, I'll have to pick it up.