Firestorm and Star are sat on the fence Im not sure if they have a take on where photography ends and that something else begins and I am not sure they really care.

Jeff, I dunno whether I should feel offended by this statement or what. I thought my previous statement was clear enough. If you try to reread my post, I hold the same breath as Slynky's stand on labeling things, and dogma's opinion on keeping an open mind. If my post translates to fence-sitting or apathy to you, well, I don't think you have understood my point. (*