I agree with you Dave-so, it is in the best interests of everyone to have these two companies working together rather than as seperate entities. And, yes my decisions to purchase something would also, like yours be influenced on whether they work in a given application. To my knowledge though, Vickie and Mike etc work just fine in Poser 5, they just don't work in the Face Room, MAT files have a problem in that CL changed the materials around somewhat. But to slam someone for not supporting something they can't use is ludicrous. Would it be fair for me to attack Billy-T, or Anton, or DaCort because their models don't work properly in Poser 3 and they don't support that version? Isn't that the same thing? All those Poser 3 users who haven't upgraded yet who can't use transparencies etc. I feel that the P4/P5 issue is the same as P3/P4 Some things just can't be helped, but you don't see Poser 3 users littering the forum with complaints because they have an issue with something that's built for P4. This situation to my mind is the same. The models concerned were built for poser 4 and it should be expected that there may well be issues in Poser 5 with some of them. That the huge amount of discussions here and elsewhere where Daz has stated several times that they can't at this time support Poser 5 or make content for it - as well as the same statement from several other vendors - has been missed completely is puzzling to me. It's not like it's been any kind of a secret and the subject of P5 compatibility has been brought up several times in this and other forums. Seems to me that someone just wanted to rant and start another argument. I guess the existing ones are getting too long or boring. :)