Sounds to me like a public pissing contest, and doubtless it will be us that get hosed in the end. As for the DAZ program, I suspect that much like Nvidea before them, (who've been talking up a similarly non existent product) they are doing it to "queer the pitch" in the hope that people will put off buying X to buy the "soon to be released..." Y it's what people in many other industries have been doing for years, (including MS) it's nothing but FUD, (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt) Me? I'll "believe it when I see it" I've probably been as guilty of "tagging" as the next man, but I do believe that CL will see us right in the end. It's a shame that they felt the (financial) need to release it early, but "them's the breaks" As for the price cut, I figure they need more cash. I also pre-ordered, so I'm not getting my nose all bent out of shape over a few bucks, it cost me over the odds from egi.sys anyway. Move along, move along, nothing to see here...