dave dont do this to yourself.....this whole p5 thing and cl vs daz thing is nothing new....this is no different than the renderosity vs poser forum a few years back ....jack can back me up on that ....this site will always be filled with negativity and positivity ....its no different than living in society ....i dont like many of the members here and im sure there are members here who dont like me neither .... but i dont give a rats ass about them and vice versa ...but they ...as do i ...have a right to have a spot here and voice our opinions ....good or bad.... nnuu