Hey Dave, the great thing about the format here is that you can scan threads and pick and choose. I've begun to avoid people who seem to have an axe to grind or their own personal/business agenda or just like to start a fight. There are lots of other folks who cause me to check out a thread I wouldn't otherwise because I've come to value their input. Lately I have been exiting more threads fast when I find them to be nasty or repetitive, but it's always worth stopping by here for those that are interesting/useful. I'm sorry some people are so angry about one thing or another. I'm not, and I don't think most folks here are. Poser 4 was getting a bit stale for me; we have really squeezed an amazing amount out of it. I'm having fun again with the two Really Great Deals I've gotten lately - my Poser 5 upgrade and the Platinum Club. I expect we'll be seeing a lot more sharing of tips and tricks as more folks start getting farther along on the admittedly non-trivial Poser 5 learning curve. Hope you stick around and keep posting about your Poser adventures (Oh, no, not another learning experience!) - Elisa/gryffnn