You lost me after "here's the rub" Dave, I know how you feel too, this whole P5 thing is riculous, bugs and fixes,and the next day more bugs and more fixes, what it all boils down to, is Big corporations don't listen to the public, as far as americans liking war and killing, we have to remember that this country was founded on war, Andy war hall Was a NUT, Hendrix Was a Genious ,And God BLESS AMERICA.

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