"Look at some of the work being produced, it doesn't suck. Talent is still a factor in any artistic medium, and so is time."

No one has complained based on lack of talent. If poser5 works find and dandy for you, I'm certainly happy for you. However that is not the case for some. If p5 is so buggy and sensitive that it won't render printable images for someone then they did not in fact get a good deal on the price. They have every right to complain. For some the patches fixed things. For me, they caused problems. It's not all black and white here.

As far as Daz/Cl, Daz products go with Poser the program. You have to look into the future to see where a fallout could go. In the future will Daz products not work in recent versions of Poser? Will they only work in their render program? See where I'm going with this?

...... Kendra