No some of us have been trying real hard to get Dan and Larry talking. I personally felt that if some common ground could be met that it would be best for all parties considered. Well after a very emotional post: Daz vs Mimic, in which both Larry and Dan showed up, we will, in all likelyhood have DAZ and CL working to support each others efforts once again. Larry will be calling Dan on Monday to have the EULA rewritten to accomadate DAZ's concerns. The implications with this one stroke of the pen will be gigantic. WHHHEEEEEEEEEE! I knew it could be done. Sometimes what seems miles away is only inches. Now the goose that lays golden eggs can start producing again in Renderosity/Poserland.9The end users are the collective goose) The post is, I believe about 3 pages back now. Its worth a read. It'll be a historic thread if they follow through. They will...I'm relentless!