I don't knwo that anyone SAID Poser5 didn't ship with critical problems IB - I DO know thatI ad others said Poser5 didn't ship with any critical issues known to the beta testers. I checked that bug report databse several times a day, and there was not one "show stopper" or critical bug reported and open when the beta closed. As for the user errors... I don't recall anyone listing any of the above AS user error. However we have several threads here on R'osity of people screaming "bug" at the top of their lungs about things when they simply don't understand (and sometimes specifically don't want to learn) what their error is. There is enough in life to be upset abut without creating new stuff that as far as I can tell didn't happen. I DO find it amusing that now CL is getting slammed for fixing things. It's a funny world :)