Sorry Lapis, haven't tried the patch yet. My Poser 5 worked right out of the box. I installed the first patch but haven't installed the second yet. I just receieved my brand new system but I'm still configuring it. I was just being silly cause I have a good feeling about the way Larry and Dan have responded to this thread. The violin, music, Steffys etc. is for that Bahama cruise I was talking about for Dan & Larry on a previous post.