melanie, I sent an email to daz days ago, since I don't ever go into a flash site. they will concider my comments while continuing the redesign of the site. the only part of daz that isn't flash is the store. ~l~ actually, no javascript run sites, no xml, no clientside scripting at all ever on my system. dkal, nope it is devolution and extremely bad practice for commercial sites to have all the dynamic newest tech crap on them. the only rule they should remember, K.I.S.S. ( KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID ) it costs companies business to make people jump through hoops to get the content of their site. best rule of thumb, if a page takes over 2 seconds to download for you, leave the site. why waste your time and money to be somewhere that is not designed for ALL users?