Cake's real eyes can be added to Posette or dork-- they include a morph to do this. And the tutorial for using htem is very very easy. Plus there are tons of add-on eye textures for Real Eyes. Which means any character can have any color eyes you want that are stand out realistic, shiny, living. Having said that- yeah, Vickie 2 is much better than the P4 woman in range of movement, morphs-- she can looks very very different, textures, etc. If the newer hi-res textures are too much for your machine you can always downsize them in a paint program. If you have over 700Mhz, seriously consider Vicki. If you regularly have more than one person in a scene, you might want to boost your memory and processor. You would need at least 512 ram to comfortably run even one hi-res Vicki with a bunch of props etc. Emily