Hiya! When starting with www.daz3d.com you can get by the flash following the small print under the loading intro: --------------------------------------------------------- This site uses the Macromedia Flash 6 (MX) Player to display content. If you prefer not to use the Flash plugin, click here to proceed directly to the store (html). Copyright 2000 DAZ Productions, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ---------------------------------------------------------- The link on the word "here" leads you to some HTML-pages. That's it. I never saw the flash-intro until now - and I'm not intending to see it, 'cause I won't dl the crap someone believes to need to display his/her fancy pages. Thank goodness, DAZ is navigable still with some of the links mentioned above. I hope they don't convert their other pages with that c**p. Regards, Willy