I would have to agree with XENOPHONZ. P5 has really shined up since the coming of SR2b. You may and likely will see alot of very miffed folks. And a good deal of negative comments. I've had a few bumps along the way down the new poser5 road, and I'll likley see others. But at this point I really would say that if you are contemplating P5 for yourself. Now, or soon would be a good time. Now there are parts of poser I really haven't used, and likey never will. But for what I got P5 for was the raytracing. True, there are a few apps that can do that, but i wanted to have it in poser, and in poser5 it does, with some pretty good effects. So for what I have paid fot P5, I feel I got a good deal. And the EULA? I'll be honest, I could care freaking less. about who owns the dial, or the file extention. It's on my system and last i looked, I still live alone with a cat. I haven't seen CL sitting in the livingroom eating nachos and checking up on what al is doing with poser..