And speaking of realistic eyes, there is a set by Traveler and Judith over at Runtime DNA called Eyez...extremely realistic and they fit also Poser 4 people and the Mill people. I own both CakeOne's and the ones from RDNA and after having used the RDNA ones, I have to admit that all of my character's and the default characters, now sport them. The bump maps and the texture maps for them are absolutely the best I've seen so far. Vicky and Micheal are definately worth getting...I also love Stephanie too. And yes, they are much better then the original P4 people. Pendy