in my opinyon P5 has made poser a viable tool for pro useage. I have used poser sence version3 from Meata Creations as a rigging platform to set a pose then export to use in my Maya for cloth and hair aditions. Now for most things i can do it all in poser :) saveing me even more time in my production work for customers. still learning hair and material rooms, the cloth room is fabulas as far as its goten way to go CL. looking forward to tweeks and aditions to it. With very few tweeks and aditions the P5 cloth room will exceed the cloth abiluties in Maya a program far far more exspencive, and by the way the calculation speed of P5 for cloth sym is bout 10 times faster than Maya's cloth sym. again way to go. only twweks needed are beter impingment handeling and the inclution of inertia to the symulation. If inertia is presently there havent figured out how to use it yet. thow can see how to fake it I think. Laters Vel