hmmm.... P5 ratings (ignoring bugs).... Firefly: A- love the detail, and for the price it can't be beat. Materials: A+ Wow! Its easier for me to use than Bryce, and I get almost the same options. As soon as more third party matierials hit freestuff and the Marketplace, this will REALLY take off. Hair: Solid B Can really slow down render time, but the results can be so cool. Wish the collision detection worked better though. Cloth: C Looks good, but I'm a Mike person and most of the clothing available really doesn't work well with him. Its also so slow to calculate. Great potential here, but we need more cloth planes (round) and clothing that will work with Male figures. Setup: Solid B Love making my own characters out of props available, but I wish material assignment was easier. Face: C- It don't work with Mike. The generated texture is too small. The window to assign coordinents is too small for fine tuning. Again, great potential, but I really won't use it until a good male figure works in it. Models: D- I hate Don and Judy. I kept hoping that the new figures would have more morphs and finer detail than the Dork, but it didn't happen. Effects: A+ Wind an Atmosphere are amazing! More than I'd hoped for. Libraries: A For obvious reasons. Content Paradise: F If a student turned in a paper this late, they wouldn't even get and E for effort. Support: CL has made a very good job of getting Service Packs out, and they mostly seem to work. SR-1 hurt me more than it helped, but it was a god send for most users. And SR2-2 rally corrected a LOT of problems for me. Wish hair collision was one of them. Third Party Support: C There ain't enough of it. So far I've counted less than a dozen hair packages (all really good), one set of dynamic clothing (not for Mike), and a couple of material packages (3DWizard's is worth double what he charges - GREAT package). I think things will improve dramaticly when and if Daz and CL settle their differences. Well worth the upgrade price. CL made some bad business decisions that hurt the release, but I can't fault the feature set and the basic design. They needed someone who knew how to coordinate beta testing (there is NO reason it should have been released with so many bugs). The EULA scared off the biggest, most important content provider, with many of the rest following. CL seems to be making a real effort to fix the problems, and I appreciate it. The programming and design staff though deserves a medal, a pat on the back, free beer, and a hedonistic weekend with a live version of either Vicky in the temple or a barbarian Mike (depending on their preference).