well the only way to get the message across is to communicate with: Reachel White Daz Productions Webmaster reachel@daz3d.com send her your comments and concerns about the daz site. xoconostle, "what's the objection to XML?" it is another easily abused clientside scripting language. no matter how high end a system I use, I will never have any clientside scripting enabled, or flash content. I do not need the bells and whistles that leave gaping security holes and suck system resourses. serverside can create the same dynamic and interactivity, without the browser needing to handle anything other than html.