Just to protect myself from any unwarrented allegations regarding this thread, I think I should come clean about my personal interest in these issues. As those who have been keeping their ears to ground may be aware, since shortly after the release of P5 I've been working on an Open Source 'scene and figure animation program' of my own with a lot of the features that I personally would have preferred to see in P5. Plug-in support has, from the outset, been one of corner-stones of the design, and, in fact, rather than creating additional work, I've found that accomodating this requirement actually adds a great deal of clarity and strength to the architecture. A lot of suggestions in the OT wishlist thread on this forum have also had a very positive impact on the design. The design capabilities look like they going to be able to knock the socks off P5. One big step has been the identification of the Mozilla Public License (in preference to GPL) as the open source model for the project. This, in effect, will allow anyone to utilise the published designs and code (including CL and DAZ), the only requirements being the obligatory credit and publishing any actual open source files that have been altered (propriatry files do not need to be published). For this reason I don't see any conflict of interest in continuing to participate in Poser related topics such as this. In fact, it is my hope that something to come out of this project will also find its way into future commercial products. At the moment the code itself is pure vapourware, but the final drafts of a pretty extensive requirements and design description document are currently under review by couple of associates. This should be publishable, along with the manifesto etc. within the next week or so, and I'll put up a temporary site to host it. Bill