Fair comment is perfectly popular provided fair criticism is also allowed. So far it's been a few shouting at others on either side. There's nothing wrong with praising Poser 5 provided that praising isn't used as a bludgeon against those who have had problems and are having problems and isn't used as a denial to hide an awesome amount of bugs. Same that criticism shouldn't be used as a bludgeon to beat down people who are trying to look on the positive side of things. So far though, most praise has included a slam against everyone who isn't drooling. Orio's comment was the first of it's kind that didn't accuse people of being whiners and complainers, that was left until later in the thread. Sorry Mac, but I expected slightly more from you than generalisations. Nobody is putting down people who have a fun time or want to post something positive, but neither will other people ignore direct insults, abuse or inuendo. As with everything, you get good and you get bad, while they're both rational it works, it's the hysterical few who have a burning brand up their butt who make arguments. :) You may notice that there's been no effort from most contributors to this thread to cause trouble, not until Sbertram felt it was ok accuse everyone having problems of whining (post 6) - and even then most people ignored it, again it was sbertram who took it into the gutter with his colourful phrasing to Cyberstretch (now deleted). So, don't you think, Mac, that you've been a little unfair on the other, rational, non arguing, non accusatory, gutter free contributors to this thread? Most of whom have not been attacked by anyone for saying they're happy and having fun?