yup a bit rude,but compared to some forums dealing with max i frequent...pretty tame. the point behind it i believe is that this is a VERY simple question,one that could be answered in less than a minute by reading the help files or just messing around pushing buttons...this is after all a very basic modeling function.it's just pure laziness to ask a question such as this...in some forums i've been to you would be insulted and told all this,or even shown pictures of racecars as a response[ie formula1=F1=read the help files]...questions from newbies are fine but this is beyond the beyond with a package costing as much as 3dsmax does,the poster most likely has an illegal copy to start with,these kind of questions are a dead giveaway