Lady C, I can see your point and I agree with you. At the same time, I can also understand why such a simplistic question would make other max users suspicious or, in this case, downright rude. I think an appropriate response would have been to answer the question (as isidro did), but if further questions appear along the same lines (ie. when it becomes totally obvious that the person posting them DOESN'T have the manual), then say 'OK, enough! Piss off' (or whatever). This is along the lines of 'How do I open 2 Figures in Poser at once?'. Something that a cursory glance at the manual would tell you. But I've seen that question answered in this forum several times. So, who knows? Anyway, the real low of the thread, as far as I was concerned, was Etchasketch's totally ignorant and neathandral attack on you for offering your opinion. Hey, not all max users are like that! Take it from me. mac