hmmmmmm :) has some wiled posabiluties :) the colar you need to remove from the sym by editing the dynamic group, click the lil - sign and select all the dots in the colar to remove it :). puffy sleaves and light ripples for folds of the train part of the dress. set fold resistance to some where between 5.0 and 8.0 as a gestamation. this looks like it would be farly heave so set cloth dencaty to around 120 or so set streach and sheer to bout 80 and see how it looks :) cant wait to see what you come up with :) ohhh patent the dress to the neck so the colar will follow the neck/head twists to a digree :) if this is a conforming dress load it select it then export as an ojb then reimport it so you can clothafy it :) let me know how it goes :) Laters Vel