ScottA, I've been rather busy with personal matters so just read your reply. >You prefer to see it a certain way. And that's ok with me. >But I prefer to keep analyzing the new data that keeps coming in. Thanks but it is not really that I prefer to see things differently. I readily admit that P5's EULA and copy protection annoy me no end and prevented my purchase of P5. Further, my experience with DAZ has been sufficiently positive that I view them favourably. But neither of these facts colour my opinion of the current situation. That is based solely upon actual statements I have read on the forums. Although I also have read the many opinions I treat those only as opinions, not as data. (eg. 'There are far more people here saying that DAZ was the victim And CL was the villian. Thus the statement: "Just how innocent is DAZ in all of this?".' I agree but treat such statements as opinion, not fact.) Your speculations may be correct. I say only that I have yet to read anything which could lead me to a similar conclusion. In other words... insufficient data. Now it is time for me to catch up on things- starting with the rest of this thread. New data maybe? - Jack