Heh... Dammit sbertram, don't you know there are rules here? They are: 1. Your posts are subject to deletion or movement to another forum at the moderator's discretion. 2. The moderator knows all. 3. The moderator doesn't need to give you answers. 4. If you question the moderator's motives, he can give you a warning ( ESPECIALLY if there was an apology somewhere in the post - What were you thinking apologizing? Don't you know people have been banned for that before?! ) Please remember these unwritten rules when posting. And whatever you do, don't mail the following people: tammymc@renderosity.com timmc@renderosity.com audre@renderosity.com spike@renderosity.com Aww screw listing them all... Just pull the list off the "Team" page... And if you wish to not deal with having posts moved or deleted, just swing over to www.poserpros.com. Over there it's kinda like the wild west... everybody gets a gun, so be careful who you shoot at. :P Paul