Yo Tuna: seeing as how I purchased Poser 5 this morning I feel more justified in posting...nobody made CL look bad. CL promised a program re-written from the ground up...didn't happen CL elected to include the copy-protection of all time CL has not guaranteed anyone that if they go bankrupt that these purchased copies of P5 will be able to be re-registered if necessary CL took pre-orders and billed credit cards before merchandise shipped Now, you may justify this with the explanation that other software companies bill before they ship, well, FYI it is illegal and if people started writing to their Attorneys General Offices I sure suspect the shit would hit the fan. I suspect the shit will hit the fan sooner or later anyway as Internet Commerce is being used to side-step all sorts of consumer protection. So, you may think, why did the big mouth b*tch buy it? Well, just so I can see if I can get it to work...so there! Besides, I really liked Marques' render, and 1 or 2 others I've seen