xoconostle: there's a post over at rDNA in the Poser 5 forum, I think titled "rendering problems" 2 people report that after SP1 (which I suppose I'll have to download) all rendering is black...I'm surprised nobody here mentioned it - I searched here and the beta forum last night because I knew I was going to buy it this morning but no mention here? As far as Kupa's assurance that nobody would be left hanging...who do you think promised the completely re-written Poser, Mel Gibson? g I'm teasing you, xoconostle, but not CL...I am really actually surprised (naivete I guess) that any company can post, in a public forum, that a piece of software will be re-written and then not do it. That just blows my mind. Of course my attorney sister tells me I can do the same -Sure would be fun lmao