Anyone else having SERIOUS problems posting pictures up? It was one of the first things I tried with P5 - well, it's a natural isn't it? I only did the head, and didn't think back then to conserve resources (on my PIII 850 with 512MB RAM) by not bothering with the back of the head (doh!). This uses the DAZ freebie "LE" edition of the gorilla, and a free-stuff texture by Paul Leatham (which was also used as source for hair texture and skin displacement map). Cliff Bowman