c1rcle, (nice nick, by the ways...very creative),...we never used to get paid...that just started...maybe...last year??....not sure...never was so when I was here....not compaining...this is just one of my "talking" threads where I tend to yammer on...so... Makes ya wonder eh...about this thread, "which I never started"...and other threads of late..."which I never started"...some say/complain that "some" mods and/or admins are "power mongers...."I" say that "some" forum hotshots think they are "divine deities" to be "curtzied to"...(they think)....and I am NOT talking about this here Renderosity forum unless there might be some "hidden" royal staff running this place too I'm not aware of... Makes you wonder then how some staff can get off being so cocky when they actually DO get paid??....I mean...ScottA makes a BIG point about how LITTLE the pay is....you know what ScottA??....the fact that there is even a "little pay" is way better than NO PAY AT ALL....this job is/can be fun...I think any job where you help folks and organize stuff and maintain stuff and fix stuff and especially when your making stuff grow and develope and watching it all go from a seed to a nice awsome healthy tree, that is also...an AWSOME feeling....ask Jack....ask Diane...heck...ask Clint....he still works here....ask Jeff...um...well, maybe not...most of them feel the same way...now...they get paid...maybe very little according to ScottA but heck...it's pay...it is something worth more than nothing for something...and believe me the rewards for working on forums come in more ways than "just money" so don't cry the blue's too hard... ...um....getting back to JeffH...you know...in many ways your not really being fair to the guy making all these threads against him...Jeff has stuck it our with Renderosity since the time of Willow all the ways through and through think...and thin...he IS an icon of Renderosity, and important part of the place...Jeff CAN get very tired like anyone else, he has his bad days like anyone else, he has days where he may just not wanna deal with the HairBall's of forums but he has a certain schedule to adhere too...and then...having been here such a loooong time...and knowing how Jeff is...perhaps he does ask himself at times..."why am I here?"....and then..."we", the members...are on his case...yeah...whther he might be just a slight cocky at times...you have to wonder if maybe we might be a slight more understanding and 'thankful' for all his past contributions of knowledge he HAS nourished to this place through helping members and toiling along, (you people have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and the work Jeff has to do that folks do not see),...you have to wonder if Jeff might be a whole lot nicer if he saw some gratitide rather than so much dissention.... I am just looking at both sides of the coin...you have to also realize...Jeff does have a life too...sometimes he might want to be with that life more but still feel's obligated to be here... I can understand that too... Perhaps we as members....can be too critical at times...the staff here DO check on each other and what's going on...like everything, to be done properly and fair...it all takes time....it does. Try to give em a break....sometimes members can expect too much too fast too.... Anyways...enough yammering from me for one inning...