I would rather have seen poser 4 and the probundle pack at a reduced rate. I preordered, full price, now its' $10 cheaper. CL clearly stated that pre-orders were a reduced rate and that they would raise the price (estimated street price $500). I only have Poser 5. I own lightwave and cant get poser 5 into lightwave. Now I have to buy poser4 and the pro bundle and they have RAISED the price of poser 4 pro bundle. I know eventually it will work out. but I'm stuck. Mac people are stuck on poser 4 for now. EULA issues, blah blah the list goes on. I thought I was buying a good peice of software, and I still believe that it is. However, the plugin issue for Vue4, Max, Lightwave, Cinema 4d, this is a big market and CL isnt even addressing this. Soon. great. I have bought something that sits on the shelf and has ZERO use in my production. If the plugin architecture worked like poser 4, and they said new features for the plugins would be coming soon, I'd have a peice of software that I could use, just like poser 4 people do. Instead I have to now buy the older software, and don't get an upgrade price. I don't forsee 3rd party plugin support until after the Mac version is released, thats just me. Sorry for the rant, but I DO feel hurt by purchasing a version at a specifyed price, being told this is the cheapest way to get the software, only to find out that this isnt the case. I think they call that fraud actually. So I use my other software until Poser 5 issues die down, and sit in the wings lurking. goes to the back of the class and puts on hat that says dunce