Um, Hockney and Pollock aren't valid artists? Ay, ay, ay. I won't argue, we're all entitled to our opinions, but to voice my own, I think they're both artists of remarkable accomplishment and influence. I just saw a production of "Giulio Cesare" at the San Francisco Opera with sets by Hockney ... I wish there were Poser versions of those magnificently whimsical sets for nekkid Vicky! ;-) Pollock? OK, but are you familiar with his earlier work? Some truly striking stuff, if you like painting and its history. Sorry to veer OT but I cringe every time I see someone say things like "Warhol was an idiot" or "Legume doesn't make art, he makes controversy" or "Philip Glass doesn't make real music" or "Jack Kerouac's writing isn't writing, it's typewriting." No offense to tuttle or anyone else intended, I'd just rather discuss the merits of various creative endeavors than see them dismissed. Hm, Turner prize ... Damien Hirst? Heh heh ... good one for debate. He did some funny "spin art" with David Bowie, ahem. Maybe we can agree, there. Oops, veered way off topic ... I better take my clothes off and get back on board ... where'd I put that sword?