"It's a pyrrhic victory to be "right" but branded a pornographer, particularly a child pornographer, yes? " This may apply to you, or it may not. But for anyone calling every nude PT/PS render 'kiddie porn', I got news for you... You are more than welcome to view my gallery... I use the PT Milgirl mesh a LOT (I find it more flexible and useable than Vicky), and quite a few of the images are nude. Now, if you can point out any actual pornography with aqny PT/PS milgirl mesh (as in, genital contact, masturbation, sexual acts with anything/anyone, or sexually suggestive poses), I'll be more than happy to publicly eat a plate full of horse manure at the time and place of your choosing. Fair enough? IMO, the only ones doing the aforementioned branding are the ignorant, and those who have or are harboring (IM-not-so-HO) repressed paedophilic fantasies of their own. I suspect the latter can't stand the sight of a nude PT/PS mesh, lest they get a hard-on or some noise. (and no, I'm not picking on SamTherapy here, but I did want to address the point itself.) Now, since I have none of these chains upon my soul, and since I find nothing but beauty and joy in creating and viewing an innocent image of fae folk or any other folk no matter what their age, old or young (be they nude or not), I have no problems with posting nudes in either Vicky or PT/PS Milgirl meshes. If at some time I feel like working on the geriatric end of Vicky's lifespan, I'll prolly post nudes of that too (which gives me an idear... stay tuned :) .) So - is it art? I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck if it is or not; I enjoy making 'em, and if folks enjoy seeing 'em, then so much the better. Art isn't a definition, which is why it defies all attempts at reducing it to one (or two, or three...) As for 'nekkid vickies' in general, I could care not either way. I don't count clothes, I look at execution and technique. Early on, I did the 'stare into space' thing, but as time progressed, I got (I hope) better. Everyone else will as well, more or less. HTH a little, /P