Whilst searching JohnRender's Gallery, I find: " Sorry, but no files match your search " So - since you've appointed yourself the Grand Poohbah of All That Is Art, please, show me what you think to be art. The World awaits your munificent artistic judgement... [/sarcasm] I don't mean to pick on you in particular, but so what if 10,000 people decide to post renders that show R'osity/DAZ's latest wonder-widget? I think it's kinda fun sometimes to see how a zillion folks each interpret what they think a given item should do in a render. Also, if you compare the average generic render of today with the average generic render of 5 years back, what do you see? The hum-drum renders in the galleries today, even at its worst, is still good enough that if transported back in time, Digital Blasphemy would've paid in blood to post copies of 'em. Art isn't a static thing - each aspect evolves in its own venue, after all. (Incidentally, how do YOU know that's a child in Turtle's render? Please, point it out, step by step.) Thx, /P