{The CL site still says an anouncment in "autum" - of course when autum is in Santa Cruz I don't know :-) } Ah-ha! The actual release date of Poser 5 for the Mac: "autumn"! As we all know, Santa Cruz (and all of Southern California) never experiences what we call "autumn" or "fall". It is warm year-round! Autumn never comes to that part of the country... so, Poser 5 for the Mac will never come! Then again, with all the problems in the PC version, do you Mac users really want it??