Not one single person on the face of this planet can define art for everyone else. It's the individual's opinion. Everyone's views are different. That's the way of human nature. To insult something that just looks 'too easy', when in fact most of the time, the ones complaining or downing the medium can't do it. Period. They just can't do it, so it's not good enough. Sorry, but that's crap. If I've seen someone that can take a pencil and make a spectacular drawing from scratch, whether it be on a napkin or cardboard box, I think it's awesome. I can draw, but there are more people out there that put me to complete shame when it comes to that artform. Do I look down on it? Absolutely not. I find it admirable. So why is it that people think that Poser is 'too easy'? Maybe it's those that have never -really- tried it or they have and just can't do it as well as others. "I can't do it, so it sucks, so I have to make it look bad by saying this and this." That's crap, too. When I first came across this site, I was in awe. Some of the stuff here, mostly the Poser art, blew my mind. I wanted to do it, so I began. Do you have a CLUE how long it took me to learn to pose a figure properly? I don't even know myself, but I can tell you it wasn't just me sitting behind the screen, turn a couple of dials and there she was, all beautiful. Oh no. Posette looked like something out of a horror movie. She looked twisted and distorted. Okay, so if all you have to do is render Vicki and you're done, and you call that art, this is what you'd get. Vicki with brown blocks on her forehead as eyebrows, orange skin (poser default lighting), with absolutely no shape whatsoever. Oh, and she'd be standing there with her arms out to her sides like she was about to fly away. She would always have dead blue, lifeless eyes, no expression, and she would always be standing in a grey background. Sure, if you opened it up, and pushed render, there is what you'd have. Not to mention it'd be pixeled to all hell too, since you didn't do anything with the render quality. I'm sorry. It takes a certain amount of talent to use it, and then.. postwork. Postwork, to me, is a seperate form of art entirely, simply because I've had renders come out that looked okay without it, but looked amazing -with- it. I, myself, would rather put out something that at least one person considers 'spectacular' than have a thousand people say it was 'average'. And that one person is me. I do it for myself. Postwork can do that. So I guess what I'm saying here, in the long way, is that what I consider art may not be considered art by others. Well, I'm not doing it for anyone else. I'm doing it for me. Just because a person doesn't use the program, or hates the program, doesn't give them any more right to say it sucks, or the people who use it sucks than anything else. I've seen paintings sell for thousands upon thousands of dollars, and all it was was a stripe down the middle of a blank canvas. Or a dot in the corner. It's still art.