Technically rtamesis, winter starts on 21th December the day of winter solstice. Autumn and Spring start on the Equinox when the sun crosses the horizon and the days are equal length, and Summer is June 23rd when all those hippies come out and dance around Stonehenge. (Heh that gives me an idea) To split hairs even further, didnt Poser 5 come out about September 5, weeks before the date mentioned for its release? (... and no, that idea was for a Poser work, not anything else)