Hi This is going to sound Odd but bear with me... I'm not an artist in the traditional sense of the word, I'm a model maker...I've made models of various types since I was 3 or 4. I've made models that were bad some i've trashed myself others it's been done for me ( the Milenium Falcon with scratch built detail/interior and lighting which had it's landing struts smashed by mother doing the dusting!) I have 1 or 2 which I have now which I'm proud of the 1/6th scale 'Raptor' with reptile eyes (glass) or the 25mm white metal figure of my elf lord which I spent over 50 hours getting to look realistic and not a game piece. I guess what i'm trying to say is this when I painted him I used everything I could to get the effect I wanted, the cotton bud, the tissue paper, or even a single strand of my own hair to paint the golden circlet on his forehead. So what it boils down to is this I have used many things in my life some of which are not what some would expect (the brush and paint) to create what I wanted but it worked and I am proud of what I have achieved there are many people I look up to but I know I could never do the things they do but this doesn't stop me trying!! I feel that using poser bryce etal are just another extension of my creativity, I like being able to 'build scenes on a screen where I once would build them on a base board. If I need to learn more skills in order to create what I would like then so be it, what I would say is given the space in our home the computer takes up a lot less space than my traditional modeling would!! ( and a lot less complaints about the mess) What I do miss though is being able to hold the CG models i'd love to be able to touch the mil dragon for instance One thing I would say is to all who dismiss computer graphics as not being art there are many pictures by artists both traditional and modern (don't get me started on the turner prize!) which I consider as pictures and the drivell (sp) which so called 'experts' spew forth about what the artist wanted to capture and express complete BS justifying their own existence. IMHO most if not all pictures were created because the artist felt that is what he wanted. Sorry this is such a long post but.... Dave