You have one hell of a lot more patience than I could ever muster, Ihawk. Your beautiful castle easily outshines every one that I've made in Bryce and 3DS Max. So Tempest, you're not alone, but don't get depressed about yours, just dedicate more to it. In fact, use his as an idea-builder. for ways of improving yours or perhaps easier ways of building yours.. Just by looking at this I can see how he did each part, though I know I could never convince myself to actually take the time required for this much detail. =) Again, great work, Ihawk! Rosh