"In all good conscience I have to say I have never seen ClintH ever be out and out rude to anyone." Neither have I. I have a great deal of respect for Clint. As for RDNA, it is Tim that dragged their name into this and that is unfortunate. They do have a business relationship with Bondware, but they have nothing to do with Renderosity's policies. Please don't punish them because they happen to lease Bondware. Thanks, Diane Thure Griffith DTHUREGRIF@aol.com www.animotions.com Create the adventure! www.renderotica.com Serving the adult graphics community