I fell in love with Apopysis the first time I saw what it could do, and I just love working with flame fractals - some things I've figgered out, I've now got my random number of triangles set to between 2 and 3, I've found the less the number of em the better. I work with 35 iterations in UF3 until the last minute and if necessary render them larger by copying and pasting a layer at a time into a new box, slow but sure way of getting it larger and not locking up the computer. Hope this helps some of you folks with many layer flame fractals, who may not have discovered it for yourself yet. I'm currently working on a 53 layer plus flame and it aint finished yet, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed when it comes to making it a decent size.