Yes, well, that's the answer. Start throwing accusations at me when the issue is elsewhere. I thought it was important that you all realize that to an outside observer, these thread appears differently than it does to you on the inside. I am not part of the marketplace, never will be; and all I come to Renderosity for is a place to hang my non-artistic graphics, buy a few items for my hobby, and try to enjoy some conversation with people who hold the same interest. The best part of this site (the fun and the information sharing) is increasingly getting chased off this site by people tearing into each other....and it's not all due to the administrators. But it is easier to attack me than take any responsibility, isn't it? Because there is always two or more sides to any stories and I'm not convinced I've got very much of the truth here. I was so disguested yesterday that I turned off my computer and went out into the real world. This would be a good day to do the same. I believe it is important to you. Just don't assume it is very important to me other than to see a site I enjoyed getting flushed for the sake of stubbornness on both sides. Oh, yes, I know you completely read over the fact that I said there is probably truth on both sides. Arguments, battles, war are two way affairs. My point was only that there is no point in anyone from the "other side" posting because the mentality of this thread is an attack mode, not a listening mode. Do read back through the thread and figure out why I think that. Good bye all. Have a wonderful Sunday. I will because I'm turning off this forum now. Take care.