are you saying I dont do hard work? I work very hard. I have wonderful mentors who have helped me. Disgust and shame is what I feel for those who would deny a newcomer a fair chance to explore what I can and cant do. i never said I was experienced in poser, far from it, but i have been able to make some beautiful images. It is true that they are beginners work. BUT I DID NOT MANIPULATE VOTES! I feel strongly about this and as I am an RN,JD, I am taking this to the highest authority Thank you for your helpful comments karen