Thank you Stormrage, I am learning. I only aquired poser in September. So, I am no expert, but contstantly learning. But I know that learning doesnt mean to trash another. I have never, no would I ever slander someone ( even the pink pony) for doing well. I have had success with Stormi's Bogarde! Now I would like to go on to other things. I did the Golden lady pic for Stormi and Dalinese as a favor. they asked me if I would, I did it a little to fast and yes there were mistakes. But the idea was to see if I could make an image using their new product. Do You remember when you first started and all your images looked the same? well, I made a very pretty image, and I am having a hard time letting that go! ( I like her). My thanks to you for your helpful comments Karen